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Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

I wonder how many people here would turn down a mini panda for 100k...yeah lets see your ethics and morals hold up to that.

Buy Panda 100k - resell 1500ecto+xxx armbraces

PM the noob and tell then it's worth more...hmmm?!

Ctb · Apr 24, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Of course, there's also the fact that in a NORMAL online game you have a freaking auction house where you can get a good idea of the current going rate of different items.... it's hard to fault people coming into Guild Wars' completely cocked up trade system for having no clue how much things are worth when something labeled with a "value" of 312g could actually be sold for more plat than you can even carry on your character...

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Guild Wars is doing a fine job of killing itself...

One must always remember that any individual facet of failure in the game currently is just one in a veritable sea of failure...

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I notice a trend here. The people who moan about being poor are also the people that don't take advantage of making a quick few k.

There'd be less QQ about being poor if you all grew a backbone.

Obvious troll is obvious :\

Also, obvious troll in the followup is even more obvious.

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

Trolling? No

Pointing out a fact. Seeing as you didn't counter the argument, and instead came back with the trolling crap, I will presume I hit the nail on the head.

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Perhaps we should rename the "High End" board to "Scammers" / "Unethical Trades" board since more than 70% of the items there are bought and resold (not drops).

Traders are called scammers back then in prophecies. There is a new name now: "Power Traders". (how nice). If you are still QQ-ing about how buying something for below market price is considered a scam or not ethical, heres an advice: MOVE ON, YOU ARE IN 2008 !!!

Arkantos · Apr 24, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I wonder how many people here would turn down a mini panda for 100k...yeah lets see your ethics and morals hold up to that.

Buy Panda 100k - resell 1500ecto+xxx armbraces

PM the noob and tell then it's worth more...hmmm?!

I bet most of the people who say buying expensive items for cheap is wrong would take that offer. I bet most of them will deny it here, too.

Let's face it. Money, whether it's real or virtual, brings greed. You're a Guild Wars player with 100k saving up for something and you see that offer, you're not going to say hey, that's worth over a million gold more. You're going to buy it. They were ignorant, oh well. I'm sure it would teach them to be a lot less ignorant.

But I'm sure people with a mini panda aren't that dumb, and that offer would never happen.

Nazar Razak · Apr 24, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

I dont see why this topic matters at all really. Its a game, it isnt real-life, who gives a crap about not having much online-money? Nobody in real-life is going to give you a pat on the back and a treat. It just isnt going to happen. I myself tend to under-sell my items and over-buy other peoples, not because i want some recognition, not because i want everyone to be my new friend, but because i actually enjoy helping out other people. Especially if it has no real price for me.

R.Shayne · Apr 24, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I notice a trend here. The people who moan about being poor are also the people that don't take advantage of making a quick few k.

There'd be less QQ about being poor if you all grew a backbone.

I could go into all the stuff I have, but don't care what others think, but by no one’s standards am I poor in this game and I DO NOT TAKE advantage of new players.

Think I am leaving this thread for the same reasons as stale.

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Originally Posted by stale

thinking that i won't contribute to this thread anymore, since it has been seriously lowering my opinion of the general community.

Bryant Again · Apr 24, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Again, it's not my fault they're too ignorant to find the price.

True. And I totally understand that you're under no obligation to help them, either.

All in all, this is just going to be more proof of why an auction house in GW2 is going to help the game.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I wonder how many people here would turn down a mini panda for 100k...

Hi. Whether you believe me or not is a different matter, but I don't really see what I would do with 100000k in a game where the only thing worth buying is a 10k rune...

Lacroix · Apr 24, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by kobey

There is a new name now: "Power Traders". (how nice). If you are still QQ-ing about how buying something for below market price is considered a scam or not ethical, heres an advice: MOVE ON, YOU ARE IN 2008 !!!

No, no. The thing is, we're not talking about buying things just a little bit below the market price. We're talking about taking advantage of a new player. The ethics of it - not the economic advantage of it.

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Lacroix

Of course, it IS their fault for not knowing it - yes. They're new. But... well, I don't know about you, but if gaming to you is THAT important, that you go out and find all of the price guides and builds and all of these lists about the game as soon as you start playing... well, that's you.

But I promise you a majority of the people aren't like that. I apologize, I'll admit an error - but buying from them doesn't make you an less of a jerk, I'm sorry to say.

If it does not matter enough to them to research abit, then what difference does it makes? It does matter to me that I sell my items for a reasonable sum, so I put in the effort to check prices or test the demand. If they are lazy/don't bother and ready to sell for the first person to offer, then why are you people crying foul?

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Of course, there's also the fact that in a NORMAL online game you have a freaking auction house where you can get a good idea of the current going rate of different items.... it's hard to fault people coming into Guild Wars' completely cocked up trade system for having no clue how much things are worth when something labeled with a "value" of 312g could actually be sold for more plat than you can even carry on your character...
Also, obvious troll in the followup is even more obvious.

Yeah, more QQ about the trading system. QQ more, maybe you can change the trading system soon. Or maybe spend the time QQ less and learn more about prices so you don't get shortchanged? (This sentence is for those who complaint about getting shortchanged)

pumpkin pie · Apr 24, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Yay its 2008, lets be mean to each other.

/throw shit at someone randomly and runs away

Edit: cos i forgot and ran away .... :P
Sorry, forgot to say, No, it is not okay to buy from someone who does not know the ins and outs of trading in the game. those players will turn back and laugh at their own mistakes. But if I were to do that, I am sure I probably have to find them and give them back what's appropriate else I can't sleep at night. but that's just me. And what have you (anyone who think its okay) got to show for for doing it? that you are mean and did not help a new player + some elite "pixel armor"?

And yes, I'd pm them and tell them it is worth more, and I've done it before too. call me silly, thats just me.

And I or you would not throw shit at someone, that's just me, dramatising :P

Ctb · Apr 24, 2008, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Traders are called scammers back then in prophecies.

Who's calling anyone a scammer? That would imply a level of behavior the broaches "illegality". They're not scammers, they're just selfish, selfishness is widely considered unethical by most community's standards, therefore they're being unethical.

Don't get your panties in a knot. If you choose to do something other people find disreputable, you'll garner a bad reputation and people won't respect you. It's your choice, and if you choose to take advantage of new people, live with the consequences of your actions.

In other words: if you're going to do things that garner disrespect and give you a bad reputation, learn to live with it. It's absurd to admit to doing things that other people find disreputable and then get angry because those same people lose respect for you.

Personally, I don't care enough about a video game to make other people feel bad about playing it. That's just me though. My self-respect is worth a little more to me than a few database entries on ANET's servers, and my self-respect would wane if I was intentionally making other people's play less enjoyable. Hey, if you don't feel the same, that's you, man, that's you, and that's ALL you. YOU have to live with whatever consequences your actions bring about, and if digital stink-eye on a forum is too much for you, maybe you ought to reconsider what you do.

Lacroix · Apr 24, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by kobey

If it does not matter enough to them to research abit, then what difference does it makes? It does matter to me that I sell my items for a reasonable sum, so I put in the effort to check prices or test the demand. If they are lazy/don't bother and ready to sell for the first person to offer, then why are you people crying foul?

I never said that they were lazy, or not bothering. I'm pretty sure that the prices DOES matter to them, that they want to succeed in the game. The fact is that they DON'T know any better. That's why they're called newbies.

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Lacroix

No, no. The thing is, we're not talking about buying things just a little bit below the market price. We're talking about taking advantage of a new player. The ethics of it - not the economic advantage of it.

By the time a player has gotten to an area where desired items drop, they should have enough common sense/knowledge to research the item.

carnage-runner · Apr 24, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Hi.

hello to you too. Want a Mini Vizu for 50K?

Arkantos · Apr 24, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Yay its 2008, lets be mean to each other.

/throw shit at someone randomly and runs away

Quite a difference between throwing shit at a random person and buying an expensive item for cheap off an ignorant player.

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By the time a player has gotten to an area where desired items drop, they should have enough common sense/knowledge to research the item.

Win.

phan · Apr 24, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I'm just visiting until something better (hopefully) comes out.

CONANNNNNNNNNNN xD

Bryant Again · Apr 24, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

hello to you too. Want a Mini Vizu for 50K?

As long as I can give you the mortgage to my house.

All in all, it comes down to what you as a player want to achieve. No one is certainly under any obligation to remind or tell players the true price of certain items, and it would indeed be the seller's fault for not researching the real prices before hand. Whether you want to help them out is totally up to you, eventually they're going to find out that the item they sold to you for 10k was really worth five hundred ectos.

Nonetheless, I can't say my opinion of some of the people here hasn't lessened : (

Nazar Razak · Apr 24, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

just to condradict myself: I bought a Mini Bone dragon for 8k a couple of months back, does that make me evil?
and now to turn this into my point: Its only a game, im pretty sure that the person who sold it to me, found out how much it was worth, but he didnt jump off of a roof, or gather his family around, and tell them something along the lines of "its hard going from here"...Im pretty sure that most people here wouldnt mug someone in real life, but would snap up a stack of Ecto's for 1k.

Darkobra · Apr 24, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by cataphract

If it's just a game - why do you have to grief and steal from people? Don't have enough of bad things in RL or are you just numbed-down to a couch-potato IQ that you simply cannot fathom that it is not a matter where you take advantage of people, but that you do it and feel comfortable with it?

I don't. I can't. But then again, it wasn't my ancestors that bought Manhattan for a couple of beads and occupied a whole continent just because they could. Scamming and taking advantage from people is not hard-wired into me. I apologize. My bad.

Nice touch of racism. I didn't know you had it in you. Well, with you screaming "holier than thou."